leader. Good to get your thoughts on all
of this. You'll be disappointed clearly.
What's your message tonight to those
people who perhaps are gathering outside
the hotel, people in Eping who clearly
feel angry and frustrated.
>> Uh they should feel angry and frustrated
because the simple fact is that our own
British Human Rights Act based on the
European Convention of Human Rights is
solely responsible for this complete
mess. And the Home Office lawyers
deliberately argued yesterday that the
rights of illegal asylum seekers is
greater and more significant than the
rights of the British people for safety
of residents in and around Eping. That
is the basis of this and what the home
office should be doing is what we
announced earlier this week. They should
be removing these people to detention
centers in remote areas away from uh
local residents whilst they rapidly
rapidly process people and reject all of
these illegal claims. That's what they
should be doing. Instead uh the judge
has uh has sided with the home office
lawyers and he has also it's very
important.
>> Yeah, but hang on a minute. Let me let
me just push back.
>> You refer to Let me just the
Conservative Council locally failed to
respond to the planning um requests of
the hotel owners and that's the reason
that this hotel stayed open for as long
as it is. So the Conservative Council
bear a significant proportion of the
blame along with the home office. And
it's
>> and I did I did put that Yeah, I put
that point to the council earlier on
this evening when when it comes to the
ECR. Nigel Farage on X said that the
government has used the ECHR as you've
said, but the judge made no mention of
that whatsoever. No mention of the ECR.
He said,
>> he didn't need to. He just had to he
didn't need to. He just had such a big
deal. You think he would mention it? No,
because because he just had to accept
the arguments of the home office lawyers
which was based around the requirement
to uh to essentially accommodate the uh
the human rights under the HA which is
based on the ECR of the illegal asylum
seekers. And so um he's completely uh
bought into the whole ECR
umbrella requirements uh that um that
these people now benefit from and those
being put ahead of the rights of British
residents.
>> Well, what the judge said was that the
high court had put too much weight on
local fears that migrants lead to more
crime and and bowing to protest on
planning decisions sets a dangerous
precedent.
>> That's what we do in a democracy. You
literally part of a democracy is freedom
of expression, the right to lawful
peaceful protest and planning is always
controversial. There's often planning
protests. Local councilors take that
into consideration. That's a normal part
of the planning process. I've been in in
property and real estate for nearly 40
years. So, so the judge there, I'm
afraid, is completely and utterly wrong.
He's just he's just caved in to the Home
Office lawyers and and used that as a
bit of a u a bit of an excuse and and
actually I think it's right that um
concerns of local residents are taken
into account.
>> What's your plan for deportation
especially when it comes to women and
children? There was a lot of confusion
about that earlier in the week.
>> There's no confusion whatsoever. We've
got give or take a million people who
are here illegally. The bulk of them are
men. uh it will take a parliamentary
term to process, identify and deport
those. We'll start with the men. Um but
the reality is you cannot be here
illegally and what we won't do is in a
sense provide um uh any form of
encouragement or magnetike factor for uh
for people to come here. And obviously
but we we will house people in detention
centers which we said earlier this week
in remote areas away from residential
areas while people are rapidly processed
and we will have a range of options from
agreements with countries uh to go back
to their country of origin. If not then
a range of other options. is the failure
of the people. They just relied on
Rwanda
was mentioning anybody here illegally.
Anybody who is here illegally should not
expect to stay here permanently based on
that illegality. That's the real
>> Albania. Sorry to interrupt. We are we
haven't got a huge amount of time, but
Albania was mentioned, but the
government there saying they won't go
into any sort of deal like that. And
that's why you've got to negotiate with
a range of different countries with a
range of different options and leverage
including for example sanctions if
people won't take countries back visa
restrictions closing embassies all of
these things. Many of these countries
actually receive a lot of foreign aid
from the UK. Well, there's a negotiating
be had there with the Taliban.
>> Including negotiating with the Taliban.
>> Sometimes you have to do business with
people that you may not get on with. Uh,
if you want peace in Gaza, you've got to
negotiate with Hamas. You want peace in
Ukraine and a ceasefire in Ukraine,
regrettably, we've got to negotiate with
Putin. Those difficult things uh with
people that we may not like are taking
place as we speak. Talking about people
that you don't get on with. Uh the
reform UK leader of Nottinghamshire
County Council, Mick Barton, has banned
counselors from speaking to journalists
at a local newspaper, saying the party
will not engage with any other media
outlet. That's not good, is it? When it
comes to freedom of speech,
>> uh I I literally spoke to uh the leader
yesterday and they're very happy to
speak to people uh from the media. But
if um if a certain media organization uh
distorts and uh completely acts in an
irresponsible way, then equally uh
they're entitled to say um we're going
to talk to other parts of the media, not
yourselves.
>> You can't in a democracy, you can't pick
and choose who you speak to and who you
like and who you don't like. Of
>> course you can. That's the whole point
of a democracy. That's the whole point
of a democracy. You pick and choose who
you speak to and sometimes you speak to
friends, sometimes you don't. Um but it
is equally um a you know a media
organization does have a responsibility
also uh to present some uh you know
things in a in a sensible um way
presenting both sides of a debate or an
argument and that was the issue there.
>> So you want to be held to account but
only by people that you like and agree
with. I want to be held by we want to be
held to account by people who are going
to be rational, sensible and not
completely distorted and biased.
>> Uh do you think Nigel Farage will get
involved in the RA?
>> No, I'm not involved in the row. It's a
local route and I'm sure they'll sort it
out at some point, but you know what?
Sometimes you've got to say enough.
We're done.
>> Okay. Uh on that note, we've run out of
time. Richard Ty, thank you very much.
>> Thank you.